Archive for June, 2010

06
Jun
10

infinite identity crisis on earth

“Black [jewish] kids still need to be around other Black children and adults or else they turn into, for the most part, colorstuck, confused adults with identity issues.”

amen to that.

a simple enough facebook status that evolved into a whirlwind of crazy and…well…OTHER things…mostly the naive contention that skin color is irrelevant and black jewish children need to “just” be raised around jews…

this thread was one that raises a lot of questions about the issue of identity when being an [insert ethnicity] jew. as if for some reason ppl refuse to acknowledge the fact that YOU. ARE. BOTH!!! whenever i raise such issues the conversation usually goes like this: “do you consider yourself black first or jewish first? are you black or jewish? you seem to have identity issues. what does this matter aren’t we all just jewish?”

1-that makes just as much sense as asking a tiger if he’s orange first or black first. or asking a zebra if he’s black first or white first. or asking the color purple  if its red first or blue first. ITS. BOTH. likewise WE are both. there’s something so INFINITELY ridiculous about saying “well just be around other jews b/c ur jewish”…yes…but im ALSO SOMETHING ELSE. why is there always the insistence on denying the “something else”? especially since, EVERYONE WHO ISN’T “DIFFERENTLY” ETHNIC JEWISH GETS TO DO IT. ashkenazis are jewish AND from eastern europe. sephardis are jewish AND from western europe. mizrahis are jewish AND from the middle east. so not only what are you talking about, but what is this “just” jewish myth ppl keep trying to propagate? there IS no “just” jewish.

2-look, im glad for you that you as a person believe that skin color doesnt matter. yes in the long run, race is ideally irrelevant, and yes, the ppl that think otherwise are wrong.

you know whats also wrong? murder. and robbery.

and thats why ppl dont walk down dark alleys late at night alone. b/c while the happy happy cotton candy butterflies and rainbows version of the world acknowledges that its wrong, the REALITY is that it happens. a LOT. so to live as if that isnt the reality of the world, and to raise children to not be aware of such a reality is naive at best and utter stupidity at worst. as such, ethnic jewish children need to also have just as much exposure to the ethnic world they belong to and will be clumped along with anyway as they have exposure to the jewish world. to raise said child solely in EITHER world is disastrous.

3-also dont tell me racism is “wrong” or “stupid” or “it doesnt matter at the end of the day”. maybe thats what happens and the end of YOUR day. it’s not what happens at the end of mine. *i* have to wake up the next morning and do this all over again, like i have every single day of my life and will have to CONTINUE to do for every single day of my life. unfortunately us brown ppl dont get that magical power to declare something over just b/c we say so. so plz, save the platitudes. you arent going to “get” where im coming from anymore than im going to “get” the concept being able to drive a car and NOT get pulled over b/c it looks too expensive for me.

3-”do you consider yourself to be an african-american jew or a jewish african-american?”

honestly? im tired of this question. when i walk down the street do you see a jewish guy with black skin or are you curious about the black guy with a yarmulke on his head? if you see me down the street which yiddish word first pops into ur head “yidden” or “schvartze”? would you let me marry your daughter? why not? if i told you i was a kohen, would i be able to get that aliyah w/o problems? so tell you what, when you can treat me like we both “just” jewish, then sure, i’m a jewish african-american. until then, i’m an african-american jew and stop pretending that you see me as anything otherwise. because if i were walking down the street in a hoodie and i walk up on you, you’re gonna think im gonna tell you to run your pockets, not where i can find a maariv minyan.

more importantly, YES, im black.

will i get pulled over b/c i fit the profile? will i be followed around a store when i walk in? would i have drank from the colored only water fountains? can i walk into a synagogue and not get stared at? can a member of the klan walk by me w/o giving me a second glance? when i walk into a zales, can i get instant non-reluctant service? can i catch a cab in the city? do i need a zillion pieces of id to enter a gated neighborhood?

would any of these situations be dispelled by a quick “im jewish”, flash of a kippa and a sparkle in my teeth as i smile and wink? no? alright then.

4-by the way, “regular” jews? ashkenazis? you’re WHITE. get over it. sure you might find it soooo “distasteful” or you “dont identify” with being “white”, but guess what?

you are.

can you hail a taxi with no problem? do ppl follow you around the store when you walk in? do ppl clutch their bag closer when you enter an elevator? in the 60s would you have been forced to get on the back of the bus? can you walk into a synagogue and not get stared at? can a member of the clan walk by you w/o giving you a second glance? when you enter a zales, are the employees reluctant to come assist you? do you have any problem walking around gated neighborhoods at night? would you get asked to show id in arizona? do you receive all the trappings of white privilege? [well i guess thats a trick question, right? b/c one of the components of white privilege is that you dont realize that you have it]

at any rate, SURPRISE: you’re white. congratulations.

but you know, maybe im wrong. maybe i should just ignore this whole black and jewish thing and just accept that i’m “just” jewish. lets see what my fellow jews say:

“This congregation shall not encourage or interfere with making proselytes under any pretense whatever, nor shall any such be admitted under the jurisdiction of their congregation, until he or she or they produce legal and satisfactory credentials, from some other congregation, where a regular Chief [Rabbi] or Rabbi and Hebrew Consistory is established; and, provided, he, she or they are not people of color.”  –Rule No. 23, “Constitution of the Hebrwe [sic] Congregation Kaal Kodesh Beth Elohim, or House of G-d, Charleston”, 1820.

wow.

now tell me again about how i’m “just” jewish.

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04
Jun
10

hookers for virginity

[shoutout to julie sandurg for the title. which is actually kinda ironic, seeing how much the nt loves hookers and virgins an all...]

so, in this final installment, we’re gonna tackle the whole mashiach ben yoseph/mashiach ben david deal.

for those not i the know, there is the jewish concept of two messiahs: one descended for joseph and one from david. the concept of the joseph messiah is a purely rabbincal one, based on exegesis of zech 12:9-14

“And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.”

ezekiel 37:15-28

“The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions:And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou [meanest] by these?Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever.Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.”

obadiah 1:17-21

“But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be [any] remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken [it].And [they of] the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and [they of] the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin [shall possess] Gilead.And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel [shall possess] that of the Canaanites, [even] unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which [is] in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD’S.”

…as well as numerous other talmudic sources, the basic gist of all of them being the following:

1-they are two different people from two different tribal families.

2-they live at the same time.

3-joseph messiah never takes the throne nor is he entitled to.

4-joseph messiah is a warrior

5-joseph messiah will be killed in battle and will be the first to be raised from the dead by david messiah.

6-the period of time from when joseph messiah first shows up until he is resurrected after the david messiah avenges him is very short.

7-we’re looking at a seven year span, starting with problems that get better in the sixth year, then worse again. in the seventh there’s the gog/magog wars where at joseph messiah is successful, but then he gets killed. at the end of these seven years, david messiah shows up.

8-also, the usual gamut of in-gathering exiles, rebuilding temple, establishing temple service.

many christians try to claim jc as the “messiah son of joseph” [most prolly because jc is a son of a "joseph"]. however problems abound because:

1-”son of joseph” means the tribe, not the man. in fact, this mesiah is descended from ephraim.

2-the same lineage problems exist. even moreso, since the nt goes through great lengths to prove jc comes from david, so an ephraim descent is CLEARLY waaaay out of the picture

3-jc never fought or died in a war.

4-there was no “messiah son of david” opposite number for jc

5-jc cannot come back as the david messiah, as some christians try to claim. the two messiahs are two clearly different figures. also, its kinda impossible to come back and then resurrect yourself.

6-jc, again, accomplished none of the business of beginning the process of gathering the lost tribes, rebuilding the temple or re-establishing temple service [the last two of which, again, were impossible for him to accomplish since they were still ongoing in his time and didnt cease until nearly 40 years after his death].

anyhoo, thats all i got. maybe ill come back later and expand on the dual messiahs thing, but for right now, we’re done here.

and so i bid you all adieu. it’s been real kids.

part one: blacks for slavery

part two:cows for steak

part three: diabetics for sugar

part four: amish for technology

part five: nikes for reebok

part six: muslims for pork

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04
Jun
10

muslims for pork

so there’s this great parable i heard once:

a dude is walking through a forest and he sees an arrow stuck in a tree, dead center in the middle of a bullseye. he’s impressed. as he continues through the forest he sees another bullseye. and another. and another. finally, he makes it out the forest and encounters the archer. he runs up to him and says, “that was YOU shooting all those arrows? thats amazing! how’d you make the bullseye on ALL of those shots?”  “easy,” says the archer. “i just shoot the arrow, and when it hits, i draw the bullseye around it.”

the nt is a lot like that.

there’s so many falsified, misquoted and straight up MAKE BELIEVE prophecies to prove that jc is the real deal that its insane:

“And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,And thou Bethlehem, [in] the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.” [matthew 2:5-6]

the claim is that jc being born in bethlehem fulfills the prophecy of micah 5:2:

“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.”

this is false b/c 1-”bethlehem” in micah is not a place. it is a tribal clan of judah:

“And Penuel the father of Gedor, and Ezer the father of Hushah. These [are] the sons of Hur, the firstborn of Ephratah, the father of Bethlehem.” [i chron 4:4]

hence bethlehem EPHRATAH in the original verse, which as you can see, was tailored in matthew to make it seem like the reference was to the city.

2-the verse when read IN CONTEXT refers to a military leader who will defeat the assyrians, which, of course, jc couldnt do since there werent any assyrians anymore:

“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.Therefore will he give them up, until the time [that] she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.And this [man] shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver [us] from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.” [micah 5:2-6]

“When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.” [matt 2:14-15]

this is supposedly a fulfillment of hosea 11:1:

“When Israel [was] a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.”

again, the verse has been edited to fit, b/c it is clear from the actual verse that this has nothing to do with jc, but the exodus from slavery in egypt.

“Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping [for] her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.” [matt 2:17-18]

apparently a reference to jeremiah 31:15:

“Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, [and] bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they [were] not.”

however, IN CONTEXT the next two verses prove this refers to the babylonian captivity and has nothing to do with herod slaughtering babies:

“Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border.” [jer 31:16-17]

“And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.” [matt 2:23]

where does ANYTHING say that in the ot? hint: IT DOESNT.

“All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.” [matt 21:4-5]

aside from describing jc blatantly creating a scenario just so a prophecy would be “fulfilled” this references zech 9:9:

“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.”

this is impossible however, since, as the next two verses continue, the figure of the verse is a military leader AND king of an earthly kingdom:

“And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion [shall be] from sea [even] to sea, and from the river [even] to the ends of the earth.As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein [is] no water.Turn you to the strong hold, ye prisoners of hope: even to day do I declare [that] I will render double unto thee;When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.”

“But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me.But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.” [matt 26:54-56]

again, what prophet said this? what scripture? again: the answer is none.

“As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.” [mark 1:2]

this claims to be john fulfilling the requirement that elijah will come first to announce the messiah:

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.” [malachi 3:1]

“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:” [malachi 4:5]

the problem is

1-its not elijah. its some guy named john

2-even when they asked john if was elijah, he said no. TWICE:

“And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.” [john 1:21]

“And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:” [luke 24:44-46]

yet another IMAGINARY SCRIPTURE PROPHECY

“For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.” [john 5:46]

except he didnt. the ot “prophecies” are all from the prophets. the only thing moses wrote CLOSE to referring to jc is the section on prophets…which delineate why jc is a false one.

“He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.” [john 7:38]

WHAT SCRIPTURE?????

“But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.And he that saw [it] bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.” [john 19:33-36]

1-this scripture ALSO doesnt exist.

2-it is said that this is a fulfillment of the prophecies of ex 12:46 and num 9:12. except those arent prophecies. they’re COMMANDMENTS:

“And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This [is] the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:But every man’s servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.” [ex 12:43-47]

“Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or [be] in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, [and] eat it with unleavened bread and bitter [herbs].They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.” [num 9:10-12]

3-then comes the claim that jc was the paschal lamb or somesuch. the problems with that are:

a-Gd doesnt do human sacrifices [lev 18:21, 20:2-5,deut 12:31]

b-even if he DID the proper way to sacrifice a human would be to slit its throat, just like you would when sacrificing an animal [see abraham's attempt to sacrifice isaac gen 22:7-10:

"And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here [am] I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where [is] the lamb for a burnt offering?And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.”]

jc was crucified, which is NOT a method of sacrifice, which would thereby make him “invalid” if such a thing were even allowed. also, the crucifiction ITSELF didnt kill him, but the complications from it, so if he WERE a sacrifice, he’d be an animal that died of its wounds and not directly from being sacrificed and so would STILL be invalid:

“And ye shall be holy men unto me: neither shall ye eat [any] flesh [that is] torn of beasts in the field; ye shall cast it to the dogs.” [ex 22:31]

in short, the only way for jc to actually be a paschal lamb is if his throat was slit and he was eaten immediately and in haste, as the paschal is commanded to be eaten.

“Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:That Christ should suffer, [and] that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.” [acts 26:22-23]

NO. ONE. SAID. THIS. EVER. PERIOD.

[shakes head]

alright kids. just ONE more to go.

part one: blacks for slavery

part two:cows for steak

part three: diabetics for sugar

part four: amish for technology

part five: nikes for reebok

–MaNishtana

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02
Jun
10

nikes for reebok

shout out to prodezra for the title. [who's prodezra, you ask? well, this guy. remember the y-love video "change"? that was him.also, i was in that video. see if you can spot me.].

anyhoo.

last time we covered why jc cant be a prophet. now let’s talk about why he cant be the messiah. genetically.

as we mentioned before, the messiah is a descendent of david and solomon on his father’s side. this is impossible if, as christians claim, jc’s father was Gd.obviously this a known and important point, seeing as how both luke and matthew try to legitimize jc’s bloodline. however, as with a lot of nt things, the two genealogoies conflict with each other:

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her [that had been the wife] of Urias;And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.So all the generations from Abraham to David [are] fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon [are] fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ [are] fourteen generations.” [matt 1:1-17].

“And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was [the son] of Heli,Which was [the son] of Matthat, which was [the son] of Levi, which was [the son] of Melchi, which was [the son] of Janna, which was [the son] of Joseph,Which was [the son] of Mattathias, which was [the son] of Amos, which was [the son] of Naum, which was [the son] of Esli, which was [the son] of Nagge,Which was [the son] of Maath, which was [the son] of Mattathias, which was [the son] of Semei, which was [the son] of Joseph, which was [the son] of Juda,Which was [the son] of Joanna, which was [the son] of Rhesa, which was [the son] of Zorobabel, which was [the son] of Salathiel, which was [the son] of Neri,Which was [the son] of Melchi, which was [the son] of Addi, which was [the son] of Cosam, which was [the son] of Elmodam, which was [the son] of Er,Which was [the son] of Jose, which was [the son] of Eliezer, which was [the son] of Jorim, which was [the son] of Matthat, which was [the son] of Levi,Which was [the son] of Simeon, which was [the son] of Juda, which was [the son] of Joseph, which was [the son] of Jonan, which was [the son] of Eliakim,Which was [the son] of Melea, which was [the son] of Menan, which was [the son] of Mattatha, which was [the son] of Nathan, which was [the son] of David,Which was [the son] of Jesse, which was [the son] of Obed, which was [the son] of Booz, which was [the son] of Salmon, which was [the son] of Naasson,Which was [the son] of Aminadab, which was [the son] of Aram, which was [the son] of Esrom, which was [the son] of Phares, which was [the son] of Juda,Which was [the son] of Jacob, which was [the son] of Isaac, which was [the son] of Abraham, which was [the son] of Thara, which was [the son] of Nachor,Which was [the son] of Saruch, which was [the son] of Ragau, which was [the son] of Phalec, which was [the son] of Heber, which was [the son] of Sala,Which was [the son] of Cainan, which was [the son] of Arphaxad, which was [the son] of Sem, which was [the son] of Noe, which was [the son] of Lamech,Which was [the son] of Mathusala, which was [the son] of Enoch, which was [the son] of Jared, which was [the son] of Maleleel, which was [the son] of Cainan,Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] of God.” [luke 3:23-38]

now the typical christian response is that the genealogy in matthew’s is joseph’s and the one in luke is mary’s. however, there is completely no basis for this in the text as the geneology in luke specifically states “And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was [the son] of Heli,Which was [the son] of Matthat…” where exactly does mary fit in there? and what example has there been EVER of a woman’s genealogy being expressed under the name of her husband, as some christians will claim?

aside from the obvious discrepancies [joseph is the son of jacob according to matthew, but the son of heli according to luke, matthew tells us there are exactly three sets of 14 generations from abraham to jc but both the ot AND luke genealogy clearly reveal that matthew leaves out several generations in his listing], lets deal with the ones directly affecting jc’s claims to messiahhood:

1-joseph has a cursed king in his line. BAM! money shot. that’s right:

“and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren” [matt 1:10-11]

the problem is…:

“[As] I live, saith the LORD, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence;…[Is] this man Coniah a despised broken idol? [is he] a vessel wherein [is] no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not?O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD.Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man [that] shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.”[jer 22:24,28-30]

firstly, just to clarify, matthew executes a little bit of [deliberate?] confusion by omitting jehoakim btw josiah and jeconiah. [i.e., josiah is the father of jehoakim, and JEHOAKIM is the father of jeconiah]. however, jeconiah/coniah is indeed the same coniah of the jeremiah verse above who reigned in judah “about the time they were carried away to Babylon”. [see all of these 1st Chronicles 3:15-19, 2nd Kings 24:6-17, Esther 2:6, Jer 22:24-30, 24:1, 27:20, 37:1.]

at any rate, the whole “no man of his seed shall prosper…ruling in judah” bit is pretty definitive. if jc is tracing his lineage through joseph, then he’s got not shot at all of being the messiah on account of the curse.

2-jc is adopted. christians try to have their cake and eat it too with this one. the claim is that since jc’s father is Gd and he was only ADOPTED by joseph, he is therefore exempt from the curse, since the curse is on jeconiah’s “seed”…which likewise mean he CAN’T claim descendancy from david either because…:

“And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” [2 sam 7:12-23]

so if jc is capable of inheriting joseph’s line, then he also inherits the curse. if he is not capable of inherting the line b/c he is not “seed”, then he has no claim to being a descendant of david and thus cannot claim to be the messiah.

3-even if the genealogy in luke is mary’s, she’s a woman and cant pass on tribal affiliation. tribal affiliations are counted through paternal lines:

“And they assembled all the congregation together on the first [day] of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.” [num 1:18 see also ex 28:4,29:9-30,30:30,40:15, num 36, gen 49:10,1 kings 11:4,1 chronicles 17:11-19].

a more practical example of such is when queen athaliah wants to annihilate david’s royal line. [2 kings 11, 2 chron 22] she only kills the males. why? b/c female descendant can’t pass on the claim to the throne.

4-now even if mary COULD pass on the lineage to david, she’s descended from the wrong son. the line of the messiah goes through david AND solomon:

“Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I [will be] his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.” [1 chron 22:9-10]

but mary is descended from david’s son nathan.

“which was [the son] of Nathan, which was [the son] of David”

[also note that Gd calls solomon his "son" even though solomon was physically born of david and bathsheba, thereby debunking any christian claims that any bible verses referring to Gd saying someone is his son is a prophecy for jc or means that he actually PHYSICALLY fathers them.]

and if THAT isn’t enough, take a look at that luke genealogy again:

“which was [the son] of Zorobabel, which was [the son] of Salathiel”

look! it’s zerubabel and salathiel, those same two blokes from matthew….:

“Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel”

which means–THAT’S RIGHT!–mary is ALSO descended from the cursed jeconiah. and once again, if she is able to pass down the lineage, then that means she’s also passing that pesky curse too.

alrighty then. we’re almost done.

part one: blacks for slavery

part two:cows for steak

part three: diabetics for sugar

part four: amish for technology

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